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  Fred Alan

  May 8, 2007 at 2:51 pm

  “Well it’s about time! You’d expect the fix to come from Apple, but I suppose they don’t have as much incentive to see it working, so Microsoft to the rescue.”

  Dude, are you really that lame? Apple makes Miac O/S 10, NOT Vista. Microsoft makes Vista, the worlds worst O/S ever. If the problem lies with Microsoft’s Vista (of which it DID), then of course its up to Microsoft to REPAIR THEIR BROKEN O/S !!

  You cannot expect Toyota to fix GM’s problems. Get it now? DUH!

  But, .. Hope your happy you’ve made a mockery of yourself all over the entire world via the web now.

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  Joe

  May 8, 2007 at 5:07 pm

  I really am that lame! When I buy a consumer electronic device that requires software of some form to communicate with my computer (ala iTunes), it is generally the responsibility of the device’s manufacturer to produce the software, and to make it work with said computer (if Microsoft had released some form of compatibility driver first, than it would be their responsibility to fix it). Apple created iTunes, they released it for Windows so they could sell more iPods (which worked), they are responsible for updating their software to work with Vista. I believe a company should stand behind their product (even Microsoft, read more on this blog to see I’m no fan boy), so let the mockery begin all over the entire world!

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  Nicholas

  May 8, 2007 at 10:41 pm

  I’m with Joe on this one. Apple messed up. The patch does not fix anything other than iPod USB/disconnection problems. If it was a bigger issue with USB hard disk devices in general, it’d be published as such.

  Apple’s Windows programming team needs an overhaul. iTunes runs like a dog under Vista, and Quicktime HD videos stutter like mad, either due to ReadyBoost or decoding troubles. Bah, humbug.

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  Annoyed Bystander

  May 9, 2007 at 2:31 am

  Joe -

  You really need to know the situation before commenting on it like you do. I did like your site in the past but I’m surprised that you blasted Apple the way you did.

  It wasn’t iTunes that was corrupting iPods. It was Vista. Mine included.

  If you read up on the situation you would realize that it was “ejecting an iPod from Windows Explorer” or “using Safely Remove Hardware” that corrupted the iPod. These are features of Vista. NOT iTunes!!! If you ejected the iPod from within iTunes your iPod would not get corrupted.

  Annoyed Bystander

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  May 9, 2007 at 8:01 am

  [...] ITsVista says: You’d expect the fix to come from Apple, but I suppose they don’t have as much incentive to see it working, so Microsoft to the rescue. [...]

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  Joe

  May 9, 2007 at 8:50 am

  Sorry @Annoyed, these are the dangers when we start talking religion! I realize the problem occurs when using a Microsoft tool to eject the iPod, and I’m no programmer, so there’s a good chance I’m just talking out of my ass here, but I suspect it is an Apple driver issue. The iPod should work like other devices, it’s driver should allow it to properly disconnect when ejected by Vista (that’s why there is a centralized ‘eject’ process, otherwise every device would be responsible for dealing with it themselves). I suspect Microsoft had to create a ‘shim’ to make things work the way a user would expect they should since the driver isn’t handling things properly.

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  Annoyed Bystander

  May 9, 2007 at 10:18 am

  Joe -

  I don’t believe that Microsoft would have spent the time, resources and money dealing with this issue if it were not an issue with Vista. If it were soley an iTunes issue, Microsoft could have and should have thrown up their hands and put the blame squarely on Apple and not done anything. Microsoft has done this in the past with other 3rd party devices and software.

  With that said, I am seriously considering going back to XP due to the problems I have had with my iPod and Office 2007 on Vista or even jumping the fence to the Mac OS. Using my sister’s MacBook Pro over the past week has been really slick. It’s like Vista on steroids. I never realized that. I’m using Safari to view your site now.

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  Nicholas

  May 9, 2007 at 11:28 am

  @Annoyed,

  Considering there are a gazillion iPods out there, and quite a few of them hooked up to Windows machines, I’m sure Microsoft saw it necessary to work with Apple to resolve the issue ASAP, in order to prevent further data loss, and to keep a good PR image.

  You’re talking as if these companies are feuding children. Microsoft and Apple were certainly in talks about this problem. As for writing the patch, who understands Windows better, Microsoft or Apple? This patch doesn’t address any other device’s problems. Just the iPod! Which leads me to believe it’s not some low-level generic USB problem. It’s very specific to the iPod and/or the iTunes software on Windows Vista.

  I wish Microsoft would be more transparent on what was changed, but eh, doubtful that will ever happen. They don’t want to piss off Apple.

  Apple loves playing the blame game, anyhow. For examples, see the iBook, G3, G4, Cube, and more recently the iPods shipping with Windows viruses on the hard drive.

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  Joe

  May 9, 2007 at 12:09 pm

  I think Nicholas is right. With so many people using iPods, Microsoft didn’t want an incompatibility with them to slow down the adoption of Vista. On the opposite side, Apple was probably hoping some users that were already on the edge might consider adopting OSX instead. The news info I’ve seen describes them working together on this, but again, I believe it was an issue that Apple was responsible for resolving (possibly with Microsoft’s help), but that they deliberately dragged their feet on it so Microsoft had to force the issue and fix it themselves. In the end, I’m sure we’ll never know the full details.

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  Nicholas

  May 9, 2007 at 12:12 pm

  I just want to add that while I said Apple and Microsoft aren’t feuding children, they darn well act like it sometimes, don’t they? Or at least Apple’s PR dept. would have us believe.

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